Are Poker Players REALLY Smarter Than Chess Players?

Chess streamer Alexandra Botez joins Doug Polk to talk about chess, poker, and which game has smarter players.

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0:00 Intro
0:51 Alexandra joins
1:43 Living in Austin, Making content
13:54 The Chess Hustlers, Did AI ruin Chess?
21:07 How to start studying Chess or Poker
25:21 Poker players vs Chess players, Tells vs strategy
35:20 The Chess Twitch boom, Would Chess benefit from a luck factor?
42:00 The World Chess Championship, catering to newbs
51:17 Alexandra’s thoughts on Poker, being competitive
1:02:00 Mike McDonald, NFT’s, Regulation on cryptos/investments
1:26:31 Which cryptos Alexandra and Doug like?
1:37:38 Advice to young people, College
1:46:30 Will Alexandra play more poker in the future?

145 Comments

  1. Its never been easy for young adults to figure out their future. what makes it difficult in the 21st Century is the massive debt and also the very high asset prices. Stocks and especially housing. Trim down govt size and spending, reduce debt, and the younger gen will benefit. But that will not likely happen. Especially if we vote the established parties.

  2. David does a great job on chess shows. is it David Howell? He is polite, enunciates well. Is slow but clear to explain deep concepts that me a 1600 can digest. In poker I'm a one time 1/2 percentile ranked and I want the deepest Doug dives as possible. Either way if the play by play is a pro… the deep concepts will roll well with the masses.

  3. TIMESTAMPS
    0:51 Alexandra joins
    1:43 Living in Austin, Making content
    13:54 The Chess Hustlers, Did AI ruin Chess?
    21:07 How to start studying Chess or Poker
    25:21 Poker players vs Chess players, Tells vs strategy
    35:20 The Chess Twitch boom, Would Chess benefit from a luck factor?
    42:00 The World Chess Championship, catering to newbs
    51:17 Alexandra's thoughts on Poker, being competitive
    1:02:00 Mike McDonald, NFT's, Regulation on cryptos/investments
    1:26:31 Which cryptos Alexandra and Doug like?
    1:37:38 Advice to young people, College
    1:46:30 Will Alexandra play more poker in the future?

  4. Chess: abstract calculations, algorithms
    Poker: probabilities, inductive reasoning, psychology
    Probably chess, but different for different people.

  5. Heck yea. Great interview. Always have compared the 2. Many overlaps.

  6. Its always so bizarre when two interests of mine collide, I've been studying and watching poker for a few years, and chess even longer, and in no time line did I ever see these two worlds coming together. Was weird af seeing Alexandra on Brad Owen's channel when he was in the wpt heads up championship. And now here, on dougs podcast 😂

  7. Doug, on these podcasts could you please make the title on youtube 'Interview: Alex Botez', or Interview: Ph Helmuth'. When you look through your youtube feed it's incredibly hard to find the interviews as the titles are very strange and often the thumbnail doesn't help.

    Just an idea

    Also – 1:12:37 what video please?

  8. Guest request: Ben Sulsky or Colin Jones (the card counter)

  9. Alexandra to Doug: "I feel like you're really driven by passion, and not by money"

    cue "backing up the truck" montage

  10. I honestly thought it was XQC playing with hikaru that made it mainstream…

  11. Doug flexin on Landon tice for the pretty girl 😫😫😂😂

  12. I see why she is popular. Very intelligent and matter of fact. Comes off as a genuine person. Good luck to her!

  13. @DougPolk Mike's lawyer here. My client "allegedly" stole a quarter million dollars. Big difference

  14. The average poker player has a below 100 IQ.

  15. Key to success? people doing stupid things, cute animals, or hot girls…. or some combination of the three.

  16. she looks like she enjoy dominating and i would let her

  17. I think it's fair to say she's smart. Not a lot of kids getting thru Stanford, + her 2400 ELO, etc, etc, etc.

    BTW – I miss the funny DP YT content. IDK those were really funny when no one is really that funny anymore. Even the comedians aren't funny anymore because they're too freaking worried about what they say!

  18. CANNOT WAIT for pod with Garrett. The guy’s my idol.

  19. both of you are wearing singlets. lol…. i think Doug has met his soul mate. Check mate.

  20. She is such a nice and cute girl. Watched a hustler video right away. I even paused this video for it. I hope she gets a big audience.

  21. I think she gave Doug a pretty good answer, which is that you can get a good, competitive chess match with even a very basic matchmaker. At face value chess may look like a game of pure skill, but I think it's also true that a 1400 player can beat a 1600 player a decent % of the time, and a 1200 player will beat a 1400 player a non-trivial amount of the time. This wouldn't happen at the elite levels, but it's certainly true at the low or mid-levels of chess.

    In terms of pure-skill / pure-ability games, something like sumo wrestling would be a better example than chess. The better sumo wrestler will probably win 99.9% of the time against any inferior opponent.

    So, it's true that poker involves a lot of variance, but I think that mental games like chess also involve a fair amount of variance & unpredictability, depending on which openings each player has studied, and also their mental state at the time of the match.

    The lowest-variance games, imo, are physical games where the weaker player will never, ever win; gymnastics, sprinting, hurdles, weightlifting, decathlon, etc.

  22. Like this is could even be considered debatable. Poker players are generally degenerate morons as a whole. Novel idea for a podcast topic though.

  23. Woah Doug! You two are like same person….the intelligence, the mannerisms, the passion, the tank top, the smile….kind of scary…chemistry….

  24. she looks weird since she got those top teeth implants. i guess to reduce gum exposure

  25. The one thing I disagree with is "letting people do whatever they want to do with their money." A lot of people need to be protected from themselves. It's not that people with higher wealth no more about investing it's that they're in a position to take more risks. Maybe instead of having a net worth level they could make it that you can only risk a certain amount of your net worth. The thought process here is the same reason the government limits what you can do with your 401k. They want to limit the likelihood that you will rely on government assistance at some point.

  26. Dougie, pro football commentators aren't ALL dumb!! You need to tune into Tony Romo! He is more in line with you in regards to analyzing plays, strategies and game calling ~ why, when, how etc..,

  27. I heard her say she likes poker because she doesn’t have to use her brain . but she a pro now ….

  28. Hi Vanessa loved the podcast. Can we get Doug Polk on next time?

  29. I would be asking Garett a lot of questions about cash games and spots to bluff or to extract value. I think it is a wasted opportunity to ask him a bunch of questions on the WSOP or the state of poker.

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